00:00:00: Over the past two decades, a series of crises in finance,

00:00:03: health, energy, and geopolitics have laid

00:00:06: bare the risks of extreme

00:00:07: global

00:00:07: integration.

00:00:08: But more recently, great powers have begun using economic integration

00:00:12: as weapons.

00:00:13: Tariffs has leveraged.

00:00:14: Financial infrastructure has coerced and supplied

00:00:17: chains as vulnerabilities

00:00:18: to be exploited.

00:00:19: You cannot live within the lie

00:00:21: of mutual benefit through integration

00:00:24: when integration becomes the source of your subordination.

00:00:30: That was Mark Carney, the Canadian

00:00:33: Prime Minister, who with his speech at the Forum of the Economy, was a nerve-racking person, when he spoke of a broken old world order, which no longer came back.

00:00:41: Instead, the middle powers of the world would have to do together to not become the great powers of the USA and China.

00:00:47: This middle power also belongs to the EU, and it is increasingly under pressure.

00:00:53: Because since the beginning of these years, it has become clear that it is set on its own.

00:00:58: If Russia continues to lead a war in Ukraine, Europe does not only have to deal with further security and political conflicts with the USA, but also a distortion of the China shock.

00:01:08: We always want to look at the year at the beginning of this podcast episode of the IOTogo Podcast and ask ourselves after this turbulent start what is the year of the year in the year of the year for the EU.

00:01:22: And I am very happy to have my co-director Nils Redicka in the studio today.

00:01:26: Hello Nils.

00:01:26: Hello you.

00:01:28: We started in the year, first with the introduction of the Venezuelan president through the USA and then the threat of Trump's becoming greener.

00:01:36: A lot of excitement in the first month, in the first weeks.

00:01:40: Now we have the beginning of February.

00:01:42: How do you look at these first months in the year, in the year, in the year, in the year, in the year, in the year, in the year, in the year, in the year, in the year, in

00:01:46: the year, in the year, in the year, in the year, in the year, in the year, in the year, in the year, in the year, in the year, in the year, in the year, in the year, in the year, in the year, in the year, in the year, in the year, in the year, in the year, in the year, in the year, in the year, in the year, in the year, in the year, in the year, in the year, in the year, in the year, in the year, Tuesday, after the weekend, after Trump threatened this cell in a discussion event with you, which we then had to throw away completely and where it suddenly just went around, how should we react?

00:02:05: On the next day, Wednesday, we had an internal workshop where we looked at the whereabouts of Trump and thought very concretely about what you can actually do exactly.

00:02:14: And on Wednesday evening, we sat with the workshop owner and the customs were already blown away again.

00:02:19: Yes, it was chaotic for us all, for the EU as a whole, of course.

00:02:25: Now a few weeks have passed and a little bit of dust is setting.

00:02:28: And the big question is, what lessons does Europe actually draw from this first month for the year of twenty-six twenty-six?

00:02:34: What lessons will

00:02:35: that be?

00:02:35: Well, the first one, which you have

00:02:37: already mentioned, that I think the knowledge is clear, the EU is in the transatlantic relationship only at home for the first time.

00:02:44: I think it is now fundamentally clear.

00:02:47: The security strategy of the last few years has already stopped, but this American administration is not a partner of the EU, the EU in many ways as an opponent.

00:02:59: You are politically aware of it, but you cannot rely on it as a lesser consequence.

00:03:04: And it is also completely clear that every form of agreement that you face with this American region.

00:03:11: nicht beständig ist.

00:03:13: Und das ist, glaube ich, auch die Lehre jetzt aus Grönland.

00:03:14: Es ist völlig unklar.

00:03:16: Wann kommt das zurück?

00:03:17: Kommen Zolldrohungen wieder?

00:03:19: Geht es um die nächste Frage dann?

00:03:20: Also, man muss sich darauf einstellen, dass das eine riesen Unsicherheitsherd bleibt.

00:03:24: Das ist, glaube ich, die erste Lehre.

00:03:27: In the event that you mentioned, there was also a lot of uncertainty, and that we will probably continue to look at uncertainty.

00:03:33: At the same time, this is also the second lesson from this whole thing, that European unity works.

00:03:37: So, what we also saw as an answer to this zealotry, which you have already mentioned, was really a closed and also a closed reaction of the EU.

00:03:47: Of course, there are also some differences, but to say, okay, we have to react to it now, and that's why we have to react together.

00:03:54: And I think that was also because it wasn't just a trade conflict, even if you would have reacted with trade measures or trade against measures, but that this time it was about territorial integrity and sovereignty of the Greens and Denmark.

00:04:08: Totally.

00:04:09: And I think this confusion is exciting, and that the third big lesson for the year is that these economic-political debates, in addition to being led by the perspective, we need economic strength from geopolitical reasons.

00:04:21: If we want to let go of a Trump administration, if we want to be believable, we can also make a trade conflict and countermeasures, then we need a certain... economic strength.

00:04:35: And we don't have them.

00:04:36: Europe has a problem in many countries.

00:04:39: And I think the debate on how to solve it is now being led by the lens.

00:04:42: How do we increase the economic weight that we can throw into the geopolitical scale?

00:04:47: Where

00:04:48: are we in this discussion?

00:04:50: So, competition ability is not a new topic.

00:04:52: But now, at the beginning of the year, what is the state of things?

00:04:56: The interesting thing is that next week, on the twelfth of February, we have an informant summit.

00:05:01: Around Brussels, the head of state and government also met.

00:05:04: And we also invited Enrico Letta and Mario Draghi to talk about what you can really do to increase the web advertising capacity.

00:05:11: Two things are exciting.

00:05:13: The first is that Enrico Letta and Mario Draghi are invited.

00:05:17: Still.

00:05:17: These reports are almost two and a half years old.

00:05:20: The typical halftime of such reports... is shorter.

00:05:22: In this case, I think it's a service for both of them, that they are still in the conversation and are still a reference point for the question, what are we actually doing?

00:05:29: On the other hand, I think you also have to consider next week, that basically all letters and letters are in the mouth.

00:05:36: But if you look at the real politics, you don't have the impression that the head of state and government and the EU have officially read and remembered these reports.

00:05:45: in a lesser consequence.

00:05:47: What are

00:05:48: the points that the EU and the Middle East are taking from these reports that they should not take and what points should they take?

00:05:56: We

00:05:56: have to say that the first year of the von der Leyen-Kommission was greatly influenced by the deregulation agenda.

00:06:01: And that's interesting, because at the moment when we all talk about the epoch break, about the time changes, the world economy is changing completely, the EU is in the diagnosis that is very bad for itself.

00:06:12: In fact, you say that we have overcome it with... We have to turn that back and if we succeed, we can go back to the right track.

00:06:22: To do that, we need to get some new hands off and get some new knowledge.

00:06:26: But the main law is in the area of... deregulation happens, the omnibus that we talked about here, the question of combustion and so on.

00:06:37: That's what happened specifically.

00:06:38: And I think there are two things that are problematic.

00:06:40: One is that the economic effects will be reduced.

00:06:44: The Commission itself says that the ten omnibus that they have presented so far.

00:06:49: for the cost of savings of € twelve billion a year, the Commission has every effort to give very optimistic estimates and € twelve billion are zero point zero seven percent of the EU BIPs.

00:06:59: No growth strategy, that's a rounding error.

00:07:03: And the other thing is also politically difficult to say, because you're telling a story that the opponents of the EU can tell better in the end.

00:07:11: Namely that everything would be fine if not these crazy people in Brussels who would leave the rules all the time, who are useless, but who travel to our industry and rob us of growth.

00:07:23: And the question is, do you get out of this narrative and turn to the core... And what were the main points?

00:07:34: When the

00:07:35: EU is currently setting up a deregulation of false goals, what would be the right ones?

00:07:42: What should they

00:07:43: do?

00:07:43: I'm actually writing with Mykos Guttenberg and Sandra Tordois, that was a piece by Belsmann Stiftung and the Setter for European Reform.

00:07:49: I think if you look at it now in year twenty-six and twenty-six, then it should actually be three priorities.

00:07:54: The first is Carnish has always said that in the world of geopolitical reality, economic forces must first be built at home.

00:08:02: And at home, in this case, of course, it is also called the middle-class countries.

00:08:06: In Poland, last year, we saw a growth of about three point eight percent.

00:08:09: In Spain, about two point eight percent.

00:08:12: In Portugal, about two point four percent.

00:08:13: These are all countries that move in the E.U.

00:08:15: in the bin market with the same rythm.

00:08:18: And that's pretty good economically.

00:08:19: That means that the Mao growth in Germany, in Italy, in France, I can't lie to the EU, there are reforms that have to happen here, in the field of labor market flexibility, the demographic pressure on the social system and so on.

00:08:32: First of all, I think you just have to do your homework at home.

00:08:35: The second is, we need a common answer to these big... This is a challenge that the world is currently facing.

00:08:43: We have often discussed the question of Chinese overcapacities.

00:08:48: The fact that China is contributing to a very aggressive industrial policy in the core areas of the European industry.

00:08:54: that we immediately have a problem that the USA is going to fall out of the market and that we have high energy prices because of the Russian attack.

00:09:01: That's why you need a common answer.

00:09:02: Very important, trade policy.

00:09:04: For that, we have to think much more strongly about defensive trade policy measures against China, which then also work horizontally and not so little by little.

00:09:12: We're going to do an anti-subvention column here and then something else.

00:09:15: We have to think about industrial politics.

00:09:17: It's good that we're talking about a made-in-your-preferences on the European level, especially in strategic sectors.

00:09:23: So the idea that European money only flows to sectors when they actually produce in Europe.

00:09:28: Last year, we talked a lot about cars.

00:09:31: That will be the big question now.

00:09:34: How do you do that?

00:09:35: But of course, you also need medium-sized money.

00:09:38: We have the MFR negotiations, which is exactly where the question is.

00:09:42: Are we ready to give more money for EU industrial politics and the responsibility of the European level?

00:09:49: That's the second, industrial and trade politics.

00:09:52: And the third is that you have to... in this bin market agenda, from the lip-recognition to concrete politics, swing.

00:09:58: Sometimes you have the impression that everyone is standing in front of the bin market.

00:10:02: These are all possible technological hurdles.

00:10:05: And if we simply dismantle them, then you could achieve a lot.

00:10:08: And that's nonsense.

00:10:09: The bin market agenda is a high-political question.

00:10:11: At the end of the day, we are ready to become federal in a few areas that we haven't done yet.

00:10:17: So in the area of capital markets, unions really give off competencies on the European level.

00:10:22: National... System of giving the national interest of course moment very good deal.

00:10:26: so and that is what where quasi all that is always in the mouth for say we have to be strong in the bin.

00:10:30: but the question is really also ready political costs to buy?

00:10:35: for it is still unclear, I would say.

00:10:38: And what is the free trade deal?

00:10:39: that closes the momentary, so we have of course, of course, a macro, but also a new deal with india.

00:10:43: This is especially the big wave to close new partnerships.

00:10:46: How much effect will that have?

00:10:48: It makes no sense.

00:10:49: It's geopolitical essential.

00:10:51: We can talk about why this has gone wrong in the European Parliament.

00:10:54: But of course the EU has to look for a new partner in this world to diversify imports, but also to build alliances.

00:11:03: But you shouldn't make the mistake of believing that this is a growth engine.

00:11:06: What would happen if all the new free income that you are currently dealing with would be reduced and all the existing income would be reduced to the level of Japan?

00:11:21: And the growth effect over five years would be around, I think, zero point six percent of the EU BIPs.

00:11:27: That's all helpful and meaningful in the Middle East, but there is no growth engine in the short term.

00:11:32: I think we have to distinguish between geopolitical and meaningful, but of course there is no growth strategy.

00:11:36: But maybe one more step back.

00:11:38: I've made it very strong.

00:11:39: You actually have to come up with more ideas and say, you're taking this economic agenda together and ready to fight the Holy Church.

00:11:46: That would set out a certain European decision.

00:11:49: You said the big reason at the time of the EU was that Europe showed that you were at least very close to this question.

00:11:56: But that's not the diagnosis that is generally set.

00:11:59: the EU in the year of year twenty-six and twenty-six.

00:12:02: What is your feeling for how closed-door trade is going on in Europe in this year twenty-six and twenty-six?

00:12:08: Yes, I

00:12:08: think that's a really interesting question, because part of this narrative about Europe is not only that we are being sold by bureaucratic and being imprisoned from Brussels, but also that the EU is not really able to handle it.

00:12:23: And that in this new world, which is just too slow to react efficiently to the USA or to China.

00:12:30: What we see at the moment, in this debate, is a shift on how EU decisions will be made, also as a reaction to this new geopolitical situation.

00:12:42: And I would say that we also see different levels.

00:12:45: First, on the side of the member states, then the parliament is, of course, now completely different.

00:12:50: You can talk about that.

00:12:51: And also, basically, when we think about it, do we do things in the EU framework or do we do things in the European framework, so really on the European level, even with non-EU states?

00:13:01: The member state side, what we see there, is a shift away from always looking for consensus.

00:13:08: So making a decision has become more important than always taking all member states with you.

00:13:15: Traditionally, it was also there where you could decide with a qualified majority.

00:13:19: Everyone was always trying to take all member states with you.

00:13:23: So where it goes... You want all countries to be there, all governments to be there.

00:13:28: And now the EU is moving away a little bit.

00:13:30: And you've seen that at Mercosur, for example.

00:13:33: So the trade agreement, which was agreed on in the Council against France and against Poland, i.e.

00:13:39: two major member states and two member states, which are also really in the middle of the EU, and where you actually try to find a compromise.

00:13:47: And I think we really see this shift there.

00:13:49: Okay, making efficient decisions is more important than... to take all the member states with us.

00:13:55: I think that's

00:13:56: also very important in this political debate, because it's become so envoked to talk about the coalition of wills.

00:14:03: We're just going to go ahead in a small group.

00:14:06: We don't have to do that with all the benchmark topics.

00:14:10: We have qualified decision-makers for good reasons, because we have learned historically that there is often not enough consent to learn about it.

00:14:17: It's okay to be overconfident and to be overconfident in the sense of integration steps.

00:14:27: Before we go to the parliament, I would like to

00:14:42: stay for a moment with the council and two more points.

00:14:49: where the big schonpaket for the Ukraine was decided and for the first time not with all member states.

00:14:57: So that is now being done with the increased cooperation, because the Hungarians did not want to participate in such a case.

00:15:04: But they said, if you want to do that, then please do it without us.

00:15:08: So it's also possible where it's not possible.

00:15:11: And then the other exciting development that we have now seen is this new E-Sex Initiative from Lars Klingbal and our finance minister, who now wants to go ahead with a group of six member states in certain market areas

00:15:32: or economic and financial areas of the EU.

00:15:33: Yes, and I think that's good too.

00:15:35: The diagnosis is to say that we have to be in four areas.

00:15:37: I think it is in the essential and capital market union and the strength of the euro in its international role, defense, financing and critical resources.

00:15:46: We have to break out of it.

00:15:48: slow and stale processes that we have at the moment.

00:15:52: And we want to bring something forward with the stand-up and give it more British weight.

00:15:56: I think that's right.

00:15:58: It's important that in the end you use it to get to six positions, with which you then drive forward advice and commissions.

00:16:05: At the Capital-Market-Union it doesn't help us a lot if we build something parallel to all the processes we have on the European level.

00:16:17: to ask for a common view.

00:16:23: For example, in the area of the twenty-eighth regime.

00:16:25: The question is, do you get a common position?

00:16:28: Say that's our round line, and we don't want to fall back to push this EU process forward.

00:16:33: Because we don't need a side show where completely different things are developed, six at a time.

00:16:39: But I think that's also a question.

00:16:40: How can you drive things forward in smaller groups that work in the EU framework?

00:16:47: And especially because you can make a lot of quality decisions here, it is so important that you say, okay, if we are six, then the big designers come together and find the same position, great.

00:16:56: But now back again, I don't want to let you out now that you once said something to the parliament.

00:17:01: So, how to disperse, how unabashed or how normal it is what just happened in the European Parliament.

00:17:08: Yes, the European Parliament is the second factor in this question of the ability to act.

00:17:12: Right now, here in Berlin and from the member states, we often hear that the parliament is dysfunctional.

00:17:17: You can't do anything with it.

00:17:18: And that's just a brake, when it comes to the fact that the EU can make decisions.

00:17:23: And I'm actually a perpetrator of the European Parliament.

00:17:26: But actually, I have to say, in this legislative period, it's just insanely unstable.

00:17:32: So we have very unstable majority in this parliament.

00:17:35: Where is that?

00:17:35: That's because

00:17:36: the majority in the middle of the moment are very, very few.

00:17:41: It's obviously not a coalition, there's nothing like that in the EU, but this von der Leyen coalition, which is also the chairman of the Commission, is simply no longer so stable.

00:17:49: And what we see now is also more and more often an agreement with the right and with the outside right.

00:17:55: And also compromises that were no longer held in the middle of the parliament, even though they were already decided.

00:18:02: An example for that was this omnibus agreement in November, twenty-five.

00:18:06: And what happened?

00:18:07: There was this compromise in the middle.

00:18:10: It was difficult to get it at all.

00:18:13: So, especially the EVP and the Social Democrats sat together for a long time to deal with it.

00:18:18: And then there was the compromise.

00:18:20: To be honest, you have to say that, too, because Manfred Beber and the EVP have died to decide otherwise with the outside right.

00:18:27: And the compromise was there, then it was approved and then it was passed.

00:18:31: So there were so many deviants within this middle party and the assumption was that it was with the social democrats that the decision was not passed.

00:18:40: and then DVP approved the package at the end with the right-hand side.

00:18:43: Various things come together, the excitement was quite large and I think the three points that... The majority are so unstable that even if we have a compromise, we can't rely on the fact that the parties in the middle, who then really contribute, because there are too many victims, then the EVP is ready to use their own power position and where it is necessary to vote with the right-wing.

00:19:10: And then there was a very exciting, intensive perspective.

00:19:14: After the compromise was completed, there was a first decision.

00:19:16: There was a lot of criticism from the member states, also from Friedrich Merz, from the European Council.

00:19:21: And they said, that's a huge mistake, you have to correct that.

00:19:23: In fact, the European Council should not say what it has to do with the Parliament.

00:19:28: And the Parliamentary President reacted to this.

00:19:30: Metzola said, we will ensure that the omnibus package in Parliament comes through.

00:19:35: No matter with which majority, and then it is on the right.

00:19:38: Okay, but now I thought about

00:19:39: it.

00:19:39: You could think about it right after this January and all the things that are politically involved in the EU.

00:19:47: must understand that it's about what's going on in the European Parliament.

00:19:50: That's why this Mercosur story was so exciting.

00:19:54: In the moment when it's really about how the EU is showing how rich the hand is to new partners after decades of negotiations, the European Parliament comes after you actually found something and says, but let's put it back to the European Court again.

00:20:06: Then again in the majority, not only on the right, but in the strange coalition from green to the right.

00:20:12: How do you think this will go on?

00:20:14: Do you think there will be a new discipline, based on the world situation, in which these middle parties will get together more or do we have to expect it to remain very unstable at Kernfran?

00:20:27: Yes,

00:20:28: so the sign of the Merkussur from the parliament was of course fatal, I have to say briefly.

00:20:33: So they didn't stop the detachment.

00:20:34: It can be applied in advance, but still.

00:20:36: And it's also very exciting

00:20:38: when you look at who voted against it.

00:20:39: You can use it provisorically, theoretically, even if it's still under review at the European Court, that is, the detachment can take power.

00:20:48: But it is under the question whether the European Parliament will finally vote.

00:20:53: The question is still

00:20:54: open.

00:20:54: Politically, it would be difficult for the Commission to do that against the will of the parliament.

00:21:00: But what I actually wanted to say is that it is completely right.

00:21:02: The majority in this case were different from the omnibus from left to right.

00:21:09: And if you look at it, especially from the leaders of the countries that voted against it, the French, the Poles, the Hungarians almost voted against the outcome in parliament.

00:21:20: So here was the parliament of national interests that were represented by the leaders.

00:21:27: And I think that's the question at the end.

00:21:29: How far will we see a, as you say, disciplinary of the leaders through their own factions?

00:21:35: And there we can already see the implementation of the Displanation at the EVP.

00:21:40: So now they have also introduced new sanctions rules, that they say they do not agree with the faction line, can be sanctioned, less speech time, less prestige, rich posts, less influence within one party.

00:21:55: I think there are already plans to say that we also have to take action as the top of the faction.

00:21:59: Let's see if the other factions

00:22:05: will also do that.

00:22:06: Got it.

00:22:06: But then let's get to it.

00:22:09: What are the major political issues that are relevant to the EU?

00:22:14: What would you say to your area?

00:22:17: Where should we

00:22:19: look?

00:22:19: In my area, I would say, there are not so many initiatives of the Commission, but elections.

00:22:29: We have Hungarian elections in April, and this is one of the elections that, as a result of the election, can be broken by Viktor Orban's power in Hungary or not.

00:22:41: And we can expect less blockade, especially when it comes to foreign and security policies.

00:22:47: And the other is the preparation for the French presidential elections.

00:22:52: So can we expect this year's elections in France?

00:22:56: Or is that even more impolite than it is already?

00:22:59: Because it's the last year of Emmanuel Macron and soon the election begins.

00:23:07: I think that's also important in that respect.

00:23:10: Because there are already a few things that are relevant.

00:23:12: In the political field, we will now see the proposal for the Industrial Accelerator Act of the Commission in late February.

00:23:20: That is the big question of how will the EU be ready to take the next step in terms of industrial policy, and what is the regulation for certain industries, but also the question of whether we are ready to use European preferences when it comes to that.

00:23:34: To distribute public money, we copy them to the conditions that will be produced in Europe, or in Europe plus close partner countries.

00:23:41: The second is the financial market integration package, which the Commission has already presented last year.

00:23:45: It will be very specific about how we are ready to actually strengthen together the view of capital markets.

00:23:51: This is the eighth regime.

00:23:52: This is a big idea.

00:23:53: We are making a new business regime, the parallel running to the national regime, which companies can use if they particularly want to operate in Europe and then get simple rules for it.

00:24:04: And then, of course, we have the very central question of MFF trade.

00:24:07: Also, the next EU Household, which will be in power in the next year.

00:24:11: The big final will come next year.

00:24:13: It has to be decided.

00:24:14: But this year, it will be very central to handle how this EU Household will look like, how it will be put together, which new governance models will be made.

00:24:22: These are really bad points for the year of the

00:24:28: year.

00:24:28: What will also be decided is the question of the EU expansion.

00:24:33: So, especially discussions about an extension of Ukraine and whether to find a more creative way to let the Koreans enter the EU faster.

00:24:41: I think it's something that will take up another path in the future.

00:24:46: In the year of the year of the year, I hope, yes, maybe coupled again to the question of EU reforms.

00:24:50: But I have to say, I'm probably a little less optimistic.

00:24:53: And last but not least, especially when we look at Germany, of course, there are also the national elections.

00:24:58: And then generally this question, how strong is the AfD and what impact will it have on how much playroom the federal government may also see for itself when it comes to this big European question.

00:25:09: I think that's

00:25:10: the important point, how much air is still left for the federal government to make steam on the European level.

00:25:17: And in many ways, it is absorbed here in impetuous questions, both in the parties themselves and also within the coalition.

00:25:24: I would not say that the national elections should have direct impact on how you position yourself to the MFR.

00:25:31: So much should be demanded by the federal politics, that you can separate that.

00:25:34: But of course, it is very central, the question is how much impetuous capacity you have to throw yourself in there, if you are mainly absorbed by impetuousness.

00:25:40: So it will be an important year.

00:25:42: But still, with many uncertainties that we have already seen in the first month, you can't really say what's going on.

00:25:51: So I just hope that it doesn't go too turbulent.

00:25:53: Before we get to the very end, I still have the category three questions, one word for you now.

00:26:00: The first question is, what is the hope for the next eleven months?

00:26:06: One word.

00:26:07: I would say, give me Four words.

00:26:10: The answer to the Kölner situation.

00:26:14: With everything, what is always a helmet about the EU, you did really well.

00:26:17: You stayed together, you put the instruments you put on the table and it worked.

00:26:24: And I think you can learn from it how you can move in this world.

00:26:29: Successful.

00:26:29: And you?

00:26:30: I said it too.

00:26:31: Closedness.

00:26:32: Okay, you're more professional than me when it comes

00:26:36: to one word.

00:26:37: Second question?

00:26:38: One word?

00:26:39: What makes you most

00:26:39: worried about this year?

00:26:41: I would say China shock.

00:26:42: I think we talked a lot about it last year, but we will really come up with a lot in Germany this year.

00:26:47: Especially in the field of machine building and so on.

00:26:52: There is a problem that we don't have a solution for yet.

00:26:57: And you?

00:26:57: Right back.

00:27:00: And then the third question.

00:27:02: What needs to be done now for the EU to stay operational?

00:27:05: I

00:27:06: would say unity.

00:27:07: But what's the difference between the fact that we need a qualified majority?

00:27:10: I'd

00:27:11: say flexibility.

00:27:14: Good.

00:27:14: Okay.

00:27:15: Thank you so much for watching this video today.

00:27:17: I hope that it won't be as turbulent as the first two weeks.

00:27:27: Okay, thank you.

00:27:28: An unsere Zuhörer und Zuhörer, das war hiermit die siebenundfünfzigste Folge des EU To Go Podcasts, dem Podcast für Europapolitik des Jagdolossenters in Berlin.

00:27:37: Alle Folgen gibt es wie immer bei Spotify und allen anderen Gängen Podcasts, Potenten zum Nachhören und natürlich auch unsere Webseite dolossenter.eu.

00:27:44: Mein Name ist Thunüren, danke fürs Zuhören und bis zum nächsten Mal.